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This week, Briahna speaks with Washington Editor of Harper's Andrew Cockburn about his book The Spoils of War: Power, Profit, and the American War Machine. Why does acknowledging any of the historical antecedents to Russia's invasion of Ukraine draw accusations of being "Putin's puppet?" What is that history, and how should it inform our thinking about how to unwind this quagmire? Why are people blithely talking about the nuclear "option" like it's an option on the table? Why does it sound like some people would rather see nuclear war than concede anything at all to Putin? Cockburn is an expert on nuclear risk, war profiteering, and the pernicious reach of the military industrial complex, and he brings all that expertise to bare in this must-listen conversation.

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