Kate and Marcie discuss the explosive ending to Clayton's season and the shocking After The Final Rose. But - was it the most shocking ending ever? (Hint: Kate and Marcie both think different seasons were more shocking than this one.)

Plus, we dig into Clayton breaking up with Gabby and Rachel at the same time, if the producers hate Clayton and wanted to make his life miserable, and of course our new Bachelorette...s! Plural! And...is anyone convinced Susie actually likes Clayton?

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