Allies of Inconvenience
48 episodes - English - Latest episode: 11 months ago - ★★★★★ - 2 ratingsA Wargaming podcast centered around Warhammer 40,000 but covering all aspects of the Hobby, brought to you by four average hobbyists.
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Episodes
Episode 36- Adepticon Recap and 10th Edition Previews Talk
June 04, 2023 23:19 - 1 hour - 132 MBLate as always Join us as Evan, Chris, and Jason, Ian, and Chenoweth, recap our Adepticon experience back in March! Evan also talks about a recent RTT with his Astral Claws during hobby progress. We also talk about our thoughts on what we had see for previews of 10th edition (albeit before the full rules release!) We also have a crazy side track about naming of Von Ryan's Leaper and our other usual insane ramblings. And check out our Best Imperial Winning Army here 00:00 Intro 04:05 Ho...
Bonus: Post Adepticon 2023 Roadshow
April 02, 2023 00:56 - 1 hour - 76.1 MBJoin Chris and Evan on their return journey from Adepticon 2023 as they share what they did and what was achieved Note, this episode is completely Raw and unedited
Bonus: Adepticon 2023 Road Show Part 3
April 02, 2023 00:52 - 37 minutes - 34.6 MBJoin Chris and Evan for the last part of their Pre-Adepticon roadshow ramblings. Note this is entirely unedited
Bonus: Adepticon 2023 Road Show Day 2 part 1
March 23, 2023 23:09 - 25 minutes - 23.4 MBJoin Evan and Chris for Day 2 (part one) of our Road Show ramblings Note, this is raw and wriggling. No editing.
Bonus: Adepticon 2023 Road Show Day 1
March 23, 2023 04:41 - 1 hour - 67.3 MBEvan and Chris are back on the road to Adepticon! Join us for day one of our mad ramblings. Note, this episode is unfiltered and unedited.
Episode 35- Arks of Omen and looking towards 10th Edition
February 05, 2023 08:09 - 1 hour - 148 MBAfter a long hiatus we are back. Join us as Evan, Chris, and Jason along with a new guest, Chenoweth, go over a long list of hobby progress since episode 34 and then discuss their thoughts on Arks of Omen and changes it brought, including the loss of Armour of Contempt... and ultimately why we don't think the latest changes were done well. Then continue on listening to their rambling thoughts on how these latest changes may be informing us on the shape of 10th edition to come and what it mea...
Episode 34- Adepticon Recap and Balance Dataslate
May 28, 2022 01:52 - 1 hour - 132 MBOnce more late off the presses. Join us as Evan, Chris, Ian and Jason go over their recent hobby progress and then discuss their attendance at Adepticon, where they won best display in the 40k team tournament. Then continue on listening to their rambling thoughts on the Balance Dataslate and what it means for the game. Apologies in advance for the audio on this one. Apparently I was not recording through my headset, but through a webcam, so picked up a ton of ambient noises. 00:00 Intro ...
Bonus: Post Adepticon Road Show
April 06, 2022 17:12 - 1 hour - 61.4 MBJoin Evan and Chris for their on the road ramblings as they now return from Adepticon 2022! The last of our road show episodes, come along for our shenanigans as we generally goof around to pass the time and cover our amazing time at Adepticon 2022. As with all roadshows, this is unedited and will have background noise, but maybe you'll feel you are along for the ride on your commute!
Bonus: Pre-Adepticon Roadshow Day 2
April 05, 2022 05:53 - 1 hour - 60.4 MBJoin Evan and Chris for their on the road ramblings as they head off to Adepticon 2022! We continue with out pre-Adepticon shenanigans as we generally goof around to pass the time, and talk about 40k along the way. As with all roadshows, this is unedited and will have background noise, but maybe you'll feel you are along for the ride on your commute!
Bonus: Pre-Adepticon Roadshow Day 1
March 29, 2022 23:26 - 1 hour - 104 MBJoin Evan and Chris for their on the road ramblings as they head off to Adepticon 2022! We cover our theme for the Warhammer 40k team tournament, talk about Malal, go over what we hope to see at the GW preview, and generally goof around to pass the time. As with all roadshows, this is unedited and will have background noise, but maybe you'll feel you are along for the ride on your commute!
Episode 33: Las Vegas Open Narrative Coverage and Tau/Aeldari release discussion
March 21, 2022 22:36 - 2 hours - 208 MBI continue to be bad with timely publishing, but this is a HUGE episode (2hr, 21m). Join us as Evan, Chris, and Jason go over their recent hobby progress and then discuss their attendance at the Las Vegas Open Narrative, their thoughts on Tau and Aeldari releasese and the continued evolution of 9th Edition LVO Narrative Group on FB (where the mission pack can be found): https://www.facebook.com/groups/181785849029589 00:00 Intro 05:05 Hobby Progress 28:29 LVO Narrative Coverage 1:0...
Episode 32- Balance Dataslate and Upcoming Releases
December 27, 2021 04:48 - 1 hour - 141 MBDelayed in publishing again, but this time only by 1 month. Once more, sorry, but still join us as Evan, Chris, Ian and Jason go over their recent hobby progress and then discuss their thoughts on the recent balance dataslate and what that does for 40k, as well as what they hope to see for upcoming releases such as Custodes, GSC and Tau 00:00 Intro 03:47 Hobby Progress 27:46 Balance Dataslate Discussion 59:03 Upcoming Releases Discussion Songs and Soundclips Blue Mark- Atlan U...
Episode 31: Drukhari, Grey Knights, Thousand Sons and Ramblings
July 30, 2021 02:26 - 1 hour - 143 MBSuper delayed in publishing, recorded 2 months ago at time of publishing. Sorry, but still join us as Evan, Chris, Ian and Jason go over their recent hobby progress and then discuss their thoughts on Drukhari, what they wish to see in Grey Knight and Thousand Sons, a bit of a rant on Kruel Boyz, and other mad ramblings. 00:00 Intro 04:00 Hobby Progress 35:57 Drukhari Discussion 57:55 GK and 1k Sons Discussion Songs and Soundclips Blue Mark- Atlan Urtag Kaap mere- Bugotak Al...
Episode 30- 9th Edition Trends and Primarch Discussion
February 28, 2021 06:15 - 1 hour - 141 MBA little delayed in publishing, recorded in January, but still join us as Evan, Chris and Jason go over their recent hobby progress and then discuss the trends of codicies seen so far in 9th and the way the rules designs seem to be trending. Afterwards, we move onto a discussion (if it can be called that) about what primarchs should return and how. 00:00 Intro 05:16 Hobby Progress 25:54 9th Edition Trends 1:06:18 Primarchs Discussion Songs and Soundclips Blue Mark- Atlan Urtag...
Episode 29- Imperial Armour Compendium and Deathwatch
November 29, 2020 07:01 - 1 hour - 163 MBThis month Evan, Ian, Chris and Jason are on to talk about their recent hobby progress, including continued griefing of Jason to paint his Thunderhawk, and then go in depth into a review of the new Imperial Armor Compendium. Which really turns more into a critique (we do not have a good opinion of it). To lighten the mood though, we follow it up with Ian talking to us about Deathwatch and our usual shenanigans unfold from there. 00:00 Intro and Blood Bowl Discussion 10:02 Hobby Progress...
Episode 28- Battlefleet Gothic/Specialist Game Discussion and How is 40k 9th Edition Going?
October 01, 2020 03:09 - 1 hour - 149 MBThis month Evan, Jason and Chris are on to talk about their recent hobby progress, including a review of Death Ray Design bases, and then launch into a discussion on the immediate future of 9th edition, the current state of the game and the potential for a period of imbalance in the game with the forthcoming Space Marine codex release. after concluding our rant on 40k, we turn to a much more positive discussion around Specialist games, discussing the Additional Ship's Compendium 2.0 for Batt...
Slow Play Ep 1- Hobby Intro
August 31, 2020 03:40 - 20 minutes - 31.1 MBWelcome to Episode 1 of Slow Play! This will be an occassional addition to the main show, in which one or two of us will take 15 to 30 minutes to discuss random aspects of the hobby, conduct interviews, and generally focus on something OTHER than the latest hotness in the world of wargaming. For this first episode, your host of Allies of Inconvenience- Evan "Gothmog" Valdyke - discusses what he collects hobby wise, from 40k and BFG to historical wargames in 6mm scale. We hope you enjoy!
Episode 27- Space Marine Previews and 9th Edition Launch
August 01, 2020 03:46 - 1 hour - 137 MBWarhammer 40,000 9th Edition has launched! Tonight we talk you through our initial reactions, thoughts towards the previewed Space Marine Codex, and discuss the newly released GW Warhammer 40k app for Android and IOS 00:00 Intro 02:30 Hobby Progress 22:22 Space Marine Preview and 9th Edition Rulebooks Discussion 53:31 9th Edition List Changes and WH40k App Discussion Songs and Soundclips Blue Mark- Atlan Urtag Kaap mere- Bugotak All Clips: Men In Black (1997)
Episode 26- Thoughts to 9th Edition and Indomitus
June 25, 2020 06:20 - 1 hour - 102 MBWe are back after a canceled Adepticon and months of Quarantine and we have the excitement of 9th Edition to talk about! We kick off the episode with an extensive Hobby Progress and we have had quite a lot of down time to work on hobby. After that we launch into discussion about the 9th edition previews we have seen so far, from the new suggested "minimum" for table size to the exciting new terrain rules and everything in between! We close out with discussion about "what's in the box" for th...
Episode 25: AdeptiCan't and "Fabulous Bill"
April 11, 2020 06:04 - 1 hour - 168 MBWell, we should have had an Adepticon Preshow in March then a Roadshow Special and Adepticon Recap in April... but as you all likely know that couldn't happen due to COVID-19 and the cancellation of the event. However, we still have content to bring you as you sit in self-quarantine in this Frankenstined episode of several recording sessions from both before the event was cancelled and afterwards. We go over hobby progress, the Games Workshop online previews and finish up with a segment disc...
Episode 24: Blood of Baal and Ritual of the Damned
January 27, 2020 00:56 - 1 hour - 159 MBJoin us this month and Evan, Chris and Jason discuss their recent hobby progress and games played and then launch into reviews of the most recent Psychic Awakening Books- Blood of Baal and Ritual of the Damned- all containing 4 factions that we all collectively play for Warhammer 40k- Blood Angels, Tyranids, Dark Angels and Grey Knights 00:00 Intro 01:52 Hobby Progress & Games Played 32:32 Blood of Baal Review 1:05:42 Ritual of the Damned Dark Angel Discussion 1:25:24 Ritual of the...
Episode 23: Space Marines Post Iron Hands FAQ & Psychic Awakening
November 01, 2019 03:36 - 1 hour - 144 MBJoin us this month and Evan, Chris and Jason actually manage to stay largely on topic and discuss their recent hobby progress and games played, cover the major changes that came with Iron Hands and their FAQ, and discuss the new psychic awakening campaign and the first release wave for it: Phoenix Rising. Special apologies for Evan's audio this episode. The microphone malfunctioned and no one was aware until after we had recorded the episode. 00:00 Intro 04:59 Hobby Progress & Games Pl...
Episode 22: Codex Space Marines Initial Review
October 01, 2019 03:07 - 1 hour - 130 MBThere has been some delay in the release of this episode due to real work circumstances, but back at the start of August 2019, Chris, Jason and Evan sat down to talk about the new Codex Space Marines (before the dark times... before the Iron Hands) and the first two supplements; Ultramarines and White Scars. What follows is their typical buffoonery. 00:00 Intro 04:36 Hobby Progress 31:11 Codex Space Marines Review Songs and Soundclips Blue Mark- Atlan Urtag Kaap mere- Bugotak C...
Episode 21: Forge World Knight Update, Primaris Codex, and Mad Ramblings
August 02, 2019 16:37 - 1 hour - 129 MBThis month Chris, Jason and myself sit down to discuss the recent Forge World Knight update for 40k and the rumoured forthcoming Primaris Marine Codex. And in between all of them we ramble on and off topic regarding things such as the announced Eisenhorn television show and various other hobby/nerdom related topics. So if you have ADD like us, this is the episode for you! 00:00 Intro 02:52 Hobby Progress and wandering deliberations on the hobby in general 24:50 Forge World Knight Updat...
Episode 20: Aeronautica Imperialis and Ynnari
June 30, 2019 22:54 - 1 hour - 126 MBThis month the gang has a lengthier than normal hobby progress session, with both Chris and Evan having a lot underway in the past month. After than Jason and Even launch into an overview of the last edition of Aeronautica Imperialis to lay the ground work of what is to be expected in the forthcoming edition. Along with that Ian inquires about and we discuss the new edition of Apocalypse! Afterwards Chris, Ian and Evan discuss the recent Ynnari update and briefly go over some of the highligh...
BONUS: 2019 Roadshow Special Part 2- 8th Edition Things to Come
May 31, 2019 06:11 - 51 minutes - 46.4 MBJoin Chris and I as we journey to Adepticon in part one of our Road Show special, where we cover some Blood Angels lore and talk about what we hope to see or believe needs to be released moving forward with 8th Edition 40k. Songs and Soundclips Blue Mark- Atlan Urtag
Episode 19: The Big FAQ 3 Discussion and Review
May 17, 2019 06:37 - 1 hour - 123 MBJoin us for our review of the Big FAQ 3 (or rather April FAQ 2019). We start out with some brief hobby progress but then launch into our thoughts on the errata and FAQs and when they all mean for the game,. This is followed by some talk on faction specific FAQs covering interesting items of note in them. 00:00 Intro 02:14 Hobby Progress 15:12 The Big FAQ 48:54 Codex Specific FAQs Songs and Soundclips Blue Mark- Atlan Urtag Kaap mere- Bugotak Clip 1- Ghostbusters Clip 2- Rob...
BONUS: 2019 Roadshow Special Part 1: Team Theme, Shadowspear and Chaos
May 02, 2019 03:57 - 48 minutes - 62.5 MBJoin Chris and I as we journey to Adepticon in part one of our Road Show special, where we talk about the hoops we jumped through to changed our Team's theme for the 40k team tournament in two weeks, the new Space Marines from Shadowspear and Chaos in Shadowspear and Vigilus Ablaze! Also we try not to die in a car accident.
Episode 18: Adepticon 2019 Coverage
April 22, 2019 06:19 - 1 hour - 159 MBJoin us for our post Adepticon 2019 discussion, where we cover our last minute changes and preps, the Warhammer 40k Team Tournament, and various other event games like the Knight Fight and Space Hulk! 00:00 Intro 05:05 Adepticon Preps 23:07 Adepticon Day 1 and 2 59:11 Warhammer 40k Team Tournament Songs and Soundclips Blue Mark- Atlan Urtag Kaap mere- Bugotak Clip 1- Babylon 5 Clip 2- Galaxy Quest Clip 3- What would Brian Boitano Do?
Episode 17- Assassins and Soup
February 27, 2019 05:18 - 1 hour - 121 MBFirst episode of 2019! We start off as usual with hobby progress (to include some talk about the Lucius Pattern Drop Pod and Coastal Wargaming Group!) For our first segment, we heavily talk about the upcoming White Dwarf Assassin release and how we see them being employed by the savvy Imperial General. Our second segment we discuss what the difference between "Allies" and "Soup" is before closing off with some discussion of... a less than spectacular Forge World model. And apologies fo...
Episode 16- Chapter Approved, Terrain and Tomfoolery
January 01, 2019 01:43 - 1 hour - 116 MBCome Join the Allies of Inconvenience Crew as we close out 2018! We start off as usual with hobby progress (I think our shortest yet) before launching into Chapter Approved discussion! We then move onto Terrain releases, Fortifications and the place of useable faction terrain in 40k and as compared to Age of Sigmar... and then slowly get derailed into just general hobby blabber, rants and "Tomfoolery" So check out our final Season 2 episode before we start off with Season 3 in 2019! ...
Episode 15- Codex Orks and Blackstone Fortress
November 25, 2018 05:25 - 1 hour - 132 MBThis Episode the Allies of Inconvenience Crew kicks off as usual with hobby progress, delving into some discussion of a few cool forge world kits with it. We then launch into the meat of the Episode with our initial thoughts and impressions of the Kunnin Brutality (or Brutal Kunnin) of Codex:Orks. We follow that up with some discussions of the cool new Warhammer Quest: Blackstone Fortress, the models within and their place in 40k, and fluff surrounding UR-025 and the Men of Iron! 00:00 In...
Episode 14- The Big FAQ 2 Discussion & Review
October 05, 2018 06:20 - 1 hour - 128 MBThis Episode the Allies of Inconvenience Crew goes over what they like and what they feel missed the mark on the Big FAQ and the implications of these changes, as well as some alternative fixes that we would have liked to see instead. We also briefly discuss our Hobby progress per the norm and talk about the recent 40k "Commercials" 00:00 Intro 02:03 Hobby Progress 14:15 FAQ Discussion Songs and Soundclips Blue Mark- Atlan Urtag Kaap mere- Bugotak Clip 1 - The Princess ...
Episode 13- NOVA Narrative Recap and Changing the 2018 Meta
September 13, 2018 05:03 - 1 hour - 141 MBThis Episode the Evan "Gothmog" and Chris "Discordian" recap their excellent experience attending NOVA and playing in the Narrative event for 40k, Evan with his BA Dreadnoughts and Chris with his Dark Eldar spooky bunch. After that we launch into talking about the meta, what it is and where we would like to see it go! 00:00 Intro 04:16 Hobby Progress 26:30 NOVA Narrative Recap 53:09 The Meta and What to Change Songs and Soundclips Blue Mark- Atlan Urtag Kaap mere- Bugota...
Episode 12- Tidal Wave of Releases and What's to Come
August 20, 2018 02:09 - 1 hour - 116 MBThis Episode the Allies of Inconvenience Crew discusses the Breakneck pace of GW releases over the past several months and the potential impact that will have on releases still to come... which we then talk about with eager anticipation and a bit of wishlisting. 00:00 Intro 02:16 Hobby Progress 14:49 Summer of Oversaturated Releases 41:45 Future Release Discussion Songs and Soundclips Blue Mark- Atlan Urtag Kaap mere- Bugotak Clip 1 - The Fifth Element Clip 2 - The...
Episode 11- 8th Edition 40k Anniversary Retrospect
July 13, 2018 04:24 - 1 hour - 136 MBThis Episode the Allies of Inconvenience Crew discusses 8th Edition 40k a year on, what we like and lament about it, as well as where we desire to go from here (and the usual side tracks along the way). We also dive into our personal hobby progress, and discuss Chris' "Prophets of Bark and the Spooky Bunch" Drukhari Army. And I think we have our best audio settings yet as I finally figure this podcast stuff out. 00:00 Intro 02:59 Hobby Progress 21:14 8th Edition Anniversary Retrospe...
Episode 10: Deathwatch, Drukhari, Harlequins and Titanicus
June 01, 2018 06:13 - 1 hour - 127 MBThis month we cover our hobby progress as Chris and Evan build up for NOVA (with a slight detour into AoS factions). Ian then discusses the Deathwatch codex with us, followed by Chris covering Drukhari and Harlequins. We close the episode by discussing the previews of Adeptus Titanicus coming this summer. 00:00 Intro 03:00 Hobby Progress 27:03 Codex Deathwatch Discussion 44:28 Drukhari and Harlequins Discussion 1:08:22 Adeptus Titanicus Discussion Songs and Soundclips Bl...
Episode 9- The Big FAQ Discussion and Review
April 19, 2018 05:50 - 1 hour - 97 MBThe BIG FAQ for Warhammer 40,000 has dropped, and there are A LOT of changes. Join us as we ramble and rant about anything and everything released, from the "rule of 3" to reserve and deep strike limitations, and every little change in between (including all the comical ones!). Songs and Soundclips Blue Mark- Atlan Urtag Kaap mere- Bugotak Clip 1 - Iron Man
BONUS: Adepticon Roadshow Special
April 03, 2018 03:10 - 1 hour - 141 MBJoin Chris and myself in our mad ramblings on our Journey to Adepticon 2018! Listen to us babble on about such things as -Adepticon Lists -Codex: Kroot -Necron Previews -Big Guys that need to come back to the game -Tau and their Magic School Bus AND MORE! This episode is very stream of concious (and not the best audio TBH) BUT should give you some good laughs. ENJOY!
Episode 8- Tau Fluff & Rules + Adepticon Preshow
March 17, 2018 05:24 - 1 hour - 137 MBAfter catastrophic computer issues, we are back! This month we cover our hobby progress per the norm, though with special emphasis on Adepticon prep, now only days away! Chris then dives into the fluff of the Tau Empire and their Spheres of Expansion, after which we discuss their upcoming release and the hotly debated Commander Limitation. Jason leads the end of our discussion with talk of our Adeption 2018 friendly tournament lists! 00:00 Intro 02:47 Hobby Progress 18:24 Tau Fluff ...
Episode 7: Codex Reviews and Dead Primarchs
December 23, 2017 18:27 - 1 hour - 162 MBHappy holidays! Since it tis the season AND we have missed a few months, we bring you a longer episode with 4 segments rather than the normal 3! This month we cover our hobby progress per the norm as we work towards Adepticon 2018. Chris then dives into Codex Tyranids and Codex Craftworld Eldar, after which Jason and I discuss the Blood Angels and Dark Angels releases. Finally, we finish discussion with the status of all the Primarchs and the possibilities for their return to the game and un...
Episode 6: "Marine Biology" and Malal
September 18, 2017 03:01 - 1 hour - 110 MBThis month we do quick discussion on our hobby progress and do some NOVA recap, followed by some great discussion on the fluff Space Marines and their enhanced physiology and then we go over Chris' theorgy regarding the Chaos god "Malal" and the recent fluff developments surrounding 8th edition 40k. Make sure to read the accompanying article for this one, available here! 00:00 Intro 03:36 Hobby Progress 24:26 Space Marine Physiology 46:11 Malal Theory Songs and Soundclip...
Episode 5: Primaris Marines and 8th Edition 40k Leak Discussion
June 03, 2017 07:41 - 1 hour - 153 MBThis month we do a really quick (less than 5 minute) discussion on our hobby progress followed by some great discussion on the fluff of the new Primaris Marin Faction and then dive deep into the full 8th Edition 40k rules leak (and all the shenanigans they entail). Our longest but most fun episode to date, so join us! 00:00 Intro 02:11 Hobby Progress 07:55 Primaris Marine Fluff Discussion 24:07 8th Edition 40k Leak Discussion Songs and Soundclips Blue Mark- Atlan ...
Episode 4: Best Worst Models and 8th Edition Confirmations
May 02, 2017 09:03 - 1 hour - 90 MBThis month we do a really quick (less than 10 minute) discussion on our hobby progress, reminics about both our favourite best models and favourite worst models. Those models that you have no right liking but you absolutely love them anyway. After that we dive into the first week of GW 8th Edition 40k confirmations and their implications for the next edition of the game. 00:00 Intro 01:10 Hobby Progress 09:48 Our Favourite Best and Worst Models 29:38 8th Edition 40k Confirmat...
Episode 3: Adepticon Coverage and 8th Edition Rumors
April 05, 2017 01:16 - 1 hour - 103 MBThis month we discuss our experience at Adepticon, including getting into the Armies on Parade. We played a variety of games including Sailpower, Zone Mortalis, Kill Team and the Team Tournament. Stick around after that for our discussion on the current (limited) amount of 8th Edition rumours. 00:00 Intro & Hobby Progress 08:21 Adepticon Coverage 53:44 8th 40k Edition Rumours Songs and Soundclips Blue Mark- Atlan Urtag Kaap mere- Bugotak Clip 1 - Gaurdians of the Galaxy Clip ...
SPECIAL- Pre-Adepticon Show!
March 22, 2017 05:23 - 22 minutes - 32.4 MBJoin myself and Chris in our discussion building up to Adepticon. What is our theme for the tournament? What are we looking forward to? What are we going to buy?!
Episode 2: Gathering Storm- Ynnead and Primarchs
March 03, 2017 19:20 - 1 hour - 149 MBThe month we discuss in depth the story line of Gathering Storm: the Fracture of Beil-Tan, and the coming of Roboute Guilliman and what that means for the game. 00:00 Intro 01:45 Ynnead Discussion 1:00:55 Gathering Storm 3 1:23:44 Hobby Talk Songs and Soundclips Blue Mark- Atlan Urtag Kaap mere- Bugotak Clip 1 - Gladiator Clip 2 - Rick and Morty Clip 3 - Lord of War Clip 4 - Gladiator
Episode 1: Adepticon and the Time of Ending
February 07, 2017 07:14 - 1 hour - 91.9 MBWelcome to the Allies of Inconvenience Podcast, a predominantly Warhammer 40,000 related podcast produced by Sepulchre of Heroes. This is the first of what is a planned monthly series of podcasts, with the possibility of a few bonus episodes for certain special events. The month we discuss our upcoming trip to Adepticon and the current releases GW has been making around the Time of Ending. As this is our first episode there are a few technical issues and bugs that we had to iron out, but w...