Andy and TJ are joined once again by the inimitable Rachel Ferguson. Rachel threw down the gauntlet, suggesting that they read David Bentley Hart's book "Atheist Delusions", then have her on to discuss it. Challenge accepted!

In addition to the book, they discuss secular morality, the possibility of separating Christian ethics from Christian metaphysics, Aquinas' "Five Proofs" and the "uncaused Cause", and more.