No one likes being in a chaotic business situation, but often it's unavoidable. Discover why the "longer path is the shortest in the long run", and the presence required of leaders who want to inspire their teams and enterprises.

In episode 14 of Agile Leaders Conversations, hear Frederic Ducros, a veteran in the digital transformation space. Frederic played the role of Chief Transformation Officer in AirAsia, spent more than 15 years in consulting firms, and spoke at the Business Agility Conference in New York. Hear Fred share how leaders should approach transformation by looking at tasks vs people with a different paradigm, riding the curve of maturity, and the importance of having mindful conversations with people so that organizations can transform successfully. 

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