"The importance of listening to mental health professionals" - Elaine Belson

This was probably the most contentious conversation I've had since I've been doing this show. That is somewhat expected given the format change for season 2, but I would honestly love for you the listeners to decide where this conversation broke bad (if at all). I know people that speak in absolutes, use extreme language, and carry an air of certainty can be a trigger for me. Elaine hit on those triggers as she was trying to passionately make her case for why mental health experts should be treated as authorities who can help fix our social and political issues.

What I found super interesting about the discussion was that Elaine had some really insightful and important tools for helping people better understand themselves, their emotions, and their psychological make up; and at the same time I think her emotion, fear, and passion for the topic showcased how hard it can be to actually implement those tools. I tried to have a discussion about that, but either I didn't do a good job of carrying that conversation or Elaine did not want to be questioned in the way I was trying to question her (or maybe both). Either way I still think it was really interesting, even if somewhat combative at times. A big thanks to Elaine for being on and the work she is trying to do.

More detailed bio for Eliane below:

Elaine has been a clinical social worker for 30 years including the Army, which she joined at the age of 42. She's had her own practice for the last 12yrs, but has also worked in hospitals, outpatient clinics and combat zones.

"Changing minds takes more than information and reason. It takes insight, problem-solving and coping skills." She uses a lot of analogies, idioms and 3-step strategies (mantras) that are relatable and useful.